A few years back we aliased Ayingers Kirtabier with their Oktober Fest-Märzen because we got erroneous information which claimed they are the same beer, the exported Fest-Märzen would usually just be clearer because any yeast had settled out.
This turned out to be wrong, the Märzen ist the filtered, the Kirta the unfiltered version of the same beer.
This becomes extra obvious this year where Ayinger has started selling the filtered Märzen in Germany as well.
As a consequence we are splitting the beers again: https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/ayinger-kirtabier-autumn-beer/7727/
This is the home of the unfiltered version which you mainly can get in bottles in Germany and at the Kirta celebration in Aying (weekend of the 12.10. this year).
Currently all ratings reside as Fest-Märzen. We are trying to move the obvious candidates to Kirta, but if you remember having had the unfiltered version or even both you might want to have a look at your entry and see if you need to move it or split it in two again.
We are sorry for the mess. We were acting on what seemed to be reliable information at the time, but in this instance it turned out to be wrong.
Pretty sure (like 99%+) the Kirta was the bottle one (even though I thought I got it from somewhere else, but that’s by the by) - can you split my rating back into the two component parts?
That must be way back - now they can’t refuse a smaller pour, at exactly the same price/dl. (Forcing people, or even encouraging them through price differentials, to buy larger portions is illegal, as it promotes alcoholism, which is a sin!!!)
But you should just man up - one time I was there, I noticed a 9.5% Lithuanian ESL in the fridge, in a 500ml bottle. Only one outcome was logically possible, any alternative was inconceivable.
Well now I am ISO of both version. Need to check my drink markets if they get both versions. Actually I am missing on quite a few Ayinger beers. Its a goal now to fix this.