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Exploration: Offline functionality

#11

Thank you so much to everyone that has contributed so far! :grinning:

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#12

Away just now, and Barely been on line. But emailed some info on this topic.

But

A) preloaded list of beers looked up before hitting pub or festival

B) beer does not exist yet. Don’t want to add now

C) poor or no reception

D) fast. Im in rush. Or socialising. Don’t want any Internet lag just want to jot name and notes done and be able to upload new/append to existing later when ive time

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#13

This totally this

The one thing erica app fails at that would be amazing is appending to existing review. Or at least flag a clash of information

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#14

@aww don’t sweat it that much, we are talking about an app=smartphone, every smartphone has a notepad app or there is one free to download anyway. So they can take their short notes and write down their scores there, save it, get done with it. Later they can sit behind their desk, upload those notes on dropbox or drive, edit them which is much easier with a computer keyboard than a mobile’s keyboard anyway, search the beer on the database or add it properly, copy and paste their notes and scores. Done.

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#15

So offline functionality is pretty useless since there is an alternative (notepad app, edit your rating on desktop), what would be useful and I think Eric’s app had that, is that you would sync your ratings once online and then when offline you would search for a beer and see if you had it already, for example when at a festival or shopping. If there was something like that and I had to open another app (notepad), big deal.

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#16

Sorry Christos, but I can’t help noticing that you rated 133 beers in 2018; that’s like 11 a month.
Here we are talking of supporting also users that rate up to 5000 beers in a year, and easily 50 in a single day at a festival.
The point of view is completely different.
I understand that having to manage a handful of ratings doesn’t require the functionality, but other people have different needs.

To be honest, I do exactly as you said.
I always take notes in Google Keep (excellent synchronization); but my reason is that I first copy the ratings to a personal database, and then upload to RB (and by the way, my database is in some way like the offline functionality we are discussing here).
But if I didn’t want to maintain my database I would certainly use the offline functionality.

Also, many users don’t really use a desktop. And transferring from notepad to browser on mobile, manually, one by one, when you have 300 ticks after a weekend, can be very painful.

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#17

hellno. This is what I am forced to do after Eric’s app stopped working, and it costs me countless hours of extra work. Every tick takes twice as long basically. And that makes a huge difference when you rate multiple thousand beers per year.

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#18

One more use case which Eric’s app did perfectly at some point:

Keeping an offline database of all my ratings, so that I can look up what I already rated (and how!) when having no connection. This functionality deteriorated over time as more and more API problems crept up, but it was extremely useful on festivals and at tastings.

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#19

No no and again thrice no. Maybe your happy with notepad and then cut and paste. But thats just insane extra work. Erics app effectively allowed a separate entry for each beer. That you could take notes on and each attribute score.

Then it took 3 clicks to upload, one to search, one to select the right entry, one to upload.

Those 3 click vs your open note pad, try to select the right text, cut, change to ratebeer, type in beer name, search, select correct one, select edit, paste, then copy each of the scores to right box, then submit change back to notepad and repeat. The two are not remotely similar in effort needed

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#20

A good offline solution would also add another feature would add an additional function of adding a beer that isn’t listed, which with Eric’s app was a bit of a chore. We can facilitate that by searching by brewer, then showing a difinitive list to allow a user to know with certainty that the beer does not exist in the db. Then pre-populate the brewer field, take a guess at the style based on the name and frequency by the brewer and add the beer name.

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#21

Adding a beer via app would be nice. But for me. When out and about its about minimum time getting info dowm.be that cause im socialising, or tasting masses at festivals.

The app should be quick and easy. The rest can come later but should also be easy but need not be fast

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#22

I have a cheap mobile contract with limited mobile data, which I like to save for if I really need it. In addition, I often find myself in places with limited 4g (eg English Lake District).

On top of that in pubs I’d rather not be antisocial. Therefore I just take scores and brief notes on a beer in my personal shorthand, and then flesh them out and upload them later at home when I have free fast WiFi.

Eric’s old app was brilliant for this. As others have noted, doing it in a notepad app is a bit more long-winded.

I also loved Eric’s app for the ability to store an offline, low memory searchable list of beers you’d already rated, making it quick and easy to avoid duplicate rates/ purchases when out and about.

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#23

I’d love being able to add beers from the app! Not a priority for me (when I’m apping, I usually don’t have time to properly add anyway), but clearly a good idea.

#24

Ohhh new prototype looks good.

Only major for me, was scores before the text. But the scoring was nice feel, quick easy
Nice clean page. Could do with few more things like abv and rating count but minor things for me.

first time in along time ive got hope

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#25

We’re really happy to hear that Craig! :raised_hands:

Our initial prototypes are super quick and dirty; so unfortunately they won’t be able to show all the possible pathways and desired functionality. There is no intention to force a user to score first before you can add a comment.

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#26

I’ve been impressed with @aww 's early work on the project as well and we’re getting a quick boost forward in places the site needs it most.

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#27

I really hope you release this Offline Functionality really soon.
This could be very useful for times where when you cannot send your review and you get an error message instead.

@joet @aww

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#28

Bring on the Off line Rating :smiley: Erics app is struggling with more and more beers having no comercial description and fails with any beers added with new apps. So im totally ready to move once we have offline capability

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#29
  1. Festivals. I use my own festival/drunk-ticker-stenography system to review. It saves me time, time I can use to focus on the tasting experience instead of writing eloquent reviews. And I like to have my final review written in a fairly understandable language. Often beers are not in the database yet, I usually don’t have the time to add them while ticking.

  2. Basic notes according to every scoring category, overall impression etc. These will then be translated to human language once I get the time to do so. I try to write down as much as possible, but it’s mostly in code/abbreviations useless to others.

  3. With Erik’s app it was simple. Just correct most of the spelling errors, fill in the missing words, translate the code/stenography, upload.

The old app seems to get more and more unreliable and I am considering taking notes on paper next time I am in a hurry.

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#30

As I’ve written elsewhere, I’ll repeat here in less words.

This app loves clearing out unpublished reviews if anything happens to it. Sometimes even when you press save. That pisses us of more than anything else about it. Offline functionality would automatically be related to some “autosave” function that would prevent that, fixing the biggest remaining issue you are having since 1.0.0..

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