This may be a bit premature given the troops at the border etc. It’s one of the larger number of breweries in DB though. Obviously the Crimea situation etc. is in flux as well. So this list has 27, including crimea and sevastapol. Thoughts?
We definitely need some agreement on the disputed regions first though. If it carries any weight, their government website considers them part of Ukraine, obviously.
I mentioned in the Russia split thread that we could potentially add disputed regions to both Russia and Ukraine, of course, this is far from ideal. But if for example there was a brewery in Crimea that considered itself Russian we could put it there, likewise if one there considered itself Ukrainian it could go there.
Obviously confusing for users so I’m not going to push for that. Just throwing it out there as a potential solution for if this is an issue.
In my opinion, it would be better to use the system we used with the Russian regions, e.g. Moscow Oblast instead of Moskovskaya Oblast (which is a direct transliteration).
So we would have Donetsk Oblast instead of Donetska Oblast and Poltava Oblast instead of Poltavska Oblast.
Also this is what English-language media mainly use (including English-language publications based in Ukraine such as the Kyiv Post). I don’t think I’ve ever read “Kyivska Oblast” or “Donetska Oblast” anywhere.
Autonomous Republic of Crimea
I have objections.
This is a difficult question. If we proceed from the modern rules of transliteration of geographical names, then Kyivska Oblast is the best option, because it sounds like that in Ukrainian, and Kyiv Oblast is an artificial construction.
Article 133. The system of the administrative and territorial structure
of Ukraine shall include: the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, oblasts, rayons, cities, city districts, settlements and villages.
Ukraine shall be composed of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Vinnytsia Oblast, Volyn Oblast, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Donetsk Oblast, Zhytomyr Oblast, Zakarpattia Oblast, Zaporizhia Oblast, Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast, Kyiv Oblast, Kirovohrad Oblast, Luhansk Oblast, Lviv Oblast, Mykolayiv Oblast, Odesa Oblast, Poltava Oblast, Rivne Oblast, Sumy Oblast, Ternopil Oblast, Kharkiv Oblast, Kherson Oblast, Khmelnytskyi Oblast, Cherkasy Oblast, Chernivtsi Oblast and Chernihiv Oblast, the City of Kyiv, and the City
The cities of Kyiv and Sevastopol shall have special status determined
by the law of Ukraine.
As a person of Ukrainian descent, Kyiv Oblast sounds weird. I always say Kyivska Oblast, but, then again, I always say it in Ukrainian. I don’t see any reason why not to say Kyivska oblast, but seeing as we we Moscow Oblast instead of Moscovskaya Oblast, I guess there is something to consistency…
The thing is that, yeah Київська область and Kyivska oblast sound normal in Ukrainian, but not really in English. And as this site is in English (apart from the reviews, which can be in any language) then it would make more sense to use the anglicised version, in my opinion anyway. I mean, it’s called Odesa Oblast because Odesa (not Odeska) is part of it…
Anyway, I will accept whatever the locals say, regardless of however strange it looks.
So the following list, just checking we are cool with spelling etc? I left Crimea and sevastapol at the end as something separate. Did we ever get any opinion on that @omhper ?