If I can remember which beer(s) I saw this on I will do that!
You could do that on RB too I reckon but would it stick?
āThey allow everything as a new entry.ā With regard to vintages of beers.
Ah yes. Well it not something I want, on the contrary, Iād hate it if theyād do this on here. Like @Borresteijn said: Leffe Blond 2014 is the same beer as Leffe Blond 2015, nothing has changed. I like to read peoples ratings so yes, if people do enter the ratings of their vintages (@LazyPyro) I enjoy reading them, but I donāt think it should be a separate entry.
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How aboot Thomas Hardy Ales? Would you be against having multiple vintages of it on RB? Oh wait, 3 different brewers are involved so that mutes my ill advised comment.
Okay. How do you feel aboot the multiple entries of Deschutes Black Butte Porter Anniversary beers on BA? I reckon that separate entries are warranted.
Whatever the āruleā will be, there will always be some beer thatās an exception for whatever reason. Itās never black and white.
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Well the majority of people donāt write a review for beers but they to look for it so UT is attractive because you donāt have to write a review to give a score, you have that score made public and viewable by friends instantly. Because it reach a wide public, of course the Beer database will be more complete. IMO, RB will still be the place for complete review but they need to make ticks relevant just to reach that wider public.
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UT venue suck until they are verified paid Venue. As you say, anywhere is considered a venue, making the place search in UT irrelevant compared to RB
Yeah, you can add your home as a venue but thatās where I do most of my drinking. So how does that suck? You can still add where you bought the beer, on the app not the website. And when you do a venue search, private venues(homes) always show up last.
Letās say youāre travelling to Amsterdam and want to plan ahead and make a map of the best venues. Have you tried to do this based on just untappd map?! Ratebeer places part is way better for that (and it has its fair share of problems, Iām not denying that). As far as places go the main advantage of untappd is verified venues feature.
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One of the reasons why I started to use untappd is festival beer lists, really easy to see what you have already tried and what not. The same is true about venues. You can instantly see what are new ticks and what are not.
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Okay, I see the complaint that beers arenāt addedā¦ wellā¦ they have to be added by someone, they wonāt add themselves. UT has less such problems because of the size of the database - whoever gets first will add them, sometimes even the brewery. Since thereās less of us here, youāll be more likely to add them. And thatās why Joeās bragging of ānever higher numbersā has no chance of phasing me. Iām just not seeing those never higher numbers adding to the database significantly to reduce chances of this happening.
Iām actually used to that as Iām nearly always the one who adds the locally available beers if they need to be added, but in places with more specials, I can see it being slightly more annoying.
Sounds like weāre all agreed, Untappd is much better than RateBeer. Itās time to move with the herd to greener pastures, itās time to give up those MySpace accounts. āBut Facebook doesnāt let me choose a song for my profileā - you guys.
Jokes aside, it sounds like some of you feel like youāre being forced to do this. A hobby above all else should be fun. Fundamentally, Untappd is more fun. Being able to comment on friends check-ins, add pictures, write joke reviews without them getting deleted and even just toasting each otherās check-ins is fun. Adding funny venues is also fun. I get a laugh when I see my friend check-in rare beers at the strip club next to his house. The beer list for venues on RateBeer was a good idea but a venue rarely has the beers listed for it on here so itās kind of pointless. Obviously the badges are wack but theyāre very easily ignored and some of the trainspotters like them so who cares, they also generate revenue through sponsored badges
On a functionality side, I think Untappd has a better rating system for the task at hand. Most people (and by that, I mean not you guys) arenāt interested in analyzing a beer in great depth, writing 2 sentences about how the moderate bitterness cleans away the residual sweetness from the maple or declaring notes of horseblanket or any of that crap and it is a load of pretentious crap, Iām speaking as someone that used to do it. That kind of information can serve a purpose (i.e breweries trying to achieve consistency) but not in the RateBeer or Untappd context, doing it on here is the equivalent of having a wank with the curtains open. When we as consumers look at a beer, we arenāt only concerned about the standalone smell, taste, aroma or mouthfeel, we only really care about the beer as a whole if deciding to buy it. Nobody decides to buy a beer because they heard it has a great mouthfeel but tastes like shit. For that reason, thereās no need for separating the attributes because the average of any one attribute is never looked at. You guys like the attributes because youāre used to them, I get that people struggle with changes to habit. We donāt need an in-depth analysis of these attributes to decide if a beer is good or not and thatās all that most people care about, if the beer is good or not so for that reason, the overall average score is whatās of most importance. Given that, the more contributions you have then the more reliable that score is (Untappd wins). Someone mentioned the anti-social aspect of rating on RateBeer and itās completely true. Having been at RateBeer tastings and Untappd tastings, one of those groups spend most of their time looking at their phone and talking garbage about tasting notes. Untappd is quick and easy and achieves the task at hand. Obsession over anything is rarely good for people, Iāve seen a lot less obsessive behavior from Untappd users but then Iām sure it happens, that could just be down to the RateBeer and Untappd users that I know. Obsessive behavior seems to be the norm (speaking as someone who used to obsess) rather than the exception on RateBeer whereas itās the other way round with the Untappd users that I know.
I like that Untappd has vintages listed (thereās always a vintageless listing as well). If thereās a bad vintage of Dark Lord, Huna, Assassin etc then I want to know because I want to avoid that release. Beer tastes also change over time. If Westy 12 was released today, would it even get close to the RateBeer top 50? Vintages allow us to track the changes in tastes as well.
The only thing I donāt like about Untappd is the 0.25 increment scale. Iāve never seen anything like that, imo it should be 1-50 or even a percentage would be better.
For the people that think āwhat about all those ratings Iāve logged on RateBeerā - when you start to contribute to an online database or social media page, itās probably not wise to go in to it with the mindset that itās permanent. Itās just a number next to your name, try not to obsess about it too much. Iām sure the people on MySpace that had thousands of friends have managed to move on. Something I else I like about Untappd is that thereās less focus on how many ratings people have. To my knowledge, thereās not a league table of people with the most ratings.
For the people trying to make RateBeer become Untappd, maybe just join Untappd. The changes to my drinking habits as a result of moving from RateBeer to Untappd have been only positive. Iām no longer interested in tiny samples or drinking shit beer for the ticks. Drinking beer as a whole has become a much more relaxed, sociable and enjoyable affair.
My day job is to advise researchers on data collection methodologies using mobile applications. I would go with the Untappd approach given the task is to evaluate beer.
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I actually like attributes because I like attributes. Because RB-like and BJCP-like breakdowns of beer interest me far more than mindful or mindless ticking. Donāt suppose too much, youāll just shoot your arguments down.
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Thatās a fair point. I used to like them too until I got used to them not being there, now I donāt miss them but youāre right, I shouldnāt speak for how anybody else feels.
I have tried to go full untappd more than once (because of the rb bugs, new beer page etc.). Then I get some untappd error or things donāt work like I expect, and then I get frustratedā¦ Also, I love stats and untappd sucks at that department (without premium at least, but what I have seen from the premium, it still kind of sucks compared to rb).
I share beers with untappd users quite often and saying that untappd users donāt obsess much about it is just not true. More active untappd users are at least as obsessive as rb users + they also rate small pours. From my experience I would also argue that anti-social behavior is more down to what kind of person someone is than whether he or she uses rb or untappd.
And I donāt agree that attributes and analyzing doesnāt matter, at least I can get more enjoyment from beers now (after analyzing 6000 or more beers) than before joining rb. Or as famous Mill quote says: āIt is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.ā
Untappd doesnāt have as much stats as RateBeer for sure but Iām not premium and thereās enough there to keep me satisfied. What stats in particular are you looking for? I think theyāve added a lot in the past few years.
My point on the obsessive nature of the users was that itās a minority of Untappd users that obsessively tick tiny pours (consider how many people use Untappd) whereas itās the majority of Ratebeer users, obviously thatās a generalisation but the exceptions to that are inversed on each platform from what Iāve seen anyway, which is all I can speak for.
When I say antisocial, Iām talking about a room full of people burried in their phones or standing at a bar or festival not communicating with friends and family around them. I donāt mean overtly rude or obnoxious
Agreed, i know what you mean that there is allot of non verified venues when searching on UT that clutters it up if just doing a search without knowing the names of bars you are looking for.
But there are so many locations now that are verified in certain parts of the world that everything you will be interested is verified only.
I would say that at least 80-90% of the best bars you would want to visit here in Copenhagen are verified venues now, and more are joining all the time. Just checked and 31 verified venues within a 3 mile radius. A few months back was only around 15 verified, so its ramping up. Of course this all depends where in the world you are/searching for places though, so experiences will vary.
