Chelmsford Beer Festival seem to have gone out of their way to get resurrected brewery beers!
They have (as with Burton Town and Skinners) 4 on from Caveman at the Festival who are OOB on RB. A check on their FB shows a new Tap House opened 7/2/2022. The address is now given as:
40 Essex Road
Dartford
DA1 2AU
Same telephone number.
The beers on at Chelmsford are all those previously brewed.
And another OOB brewery on RB with a beer on at Chelmsford - Crow Bar (which was added new to RB end of May but brewery still retired). Their FB became active again October 2022.
If I were to rate it (it’s on the cusp of being good enough so not sure) would I reopen the old place and tidy up the name and association, or create an entirely new place?
I can see that it’s essentially a new business, but places change hands all the time and unless its entire soul has changed I wonder if its tidier to keep places under their old info?
There is precedent for this. Greenwich Brew Pub started off with Makemake as in-house brewery and then changed to Crop. Main pub stayed the same so the brewery details were just updated.
However they have subsequently got rid of the brewing equipment (scrapped it despite offers to buy it!) so I closed it.
Yeah Argyll & Bute definitely seems more correct. Depending on what maps you look at of Scottish regions, that area can be included in the Highlands hence the confusion. I’ve edited the places so they too are in Argyll & Bute now just like the breweries, so should all be consistent.
This is a bit convoluted. Wiki says that Arran was historically in Buteshire, which than became part of the region of Strathclyde. Following the breakup of Strathclyde Arran is now in the Unitary Authority of North Ayrshire. None of these match the regions on RB!
Having looked back over the thread where it was decided how we’d break up Scotland for RB purposes, it looks like people felt there were too many historic counties or unitary authorities, and didn’t want to use the regions period (I think because no-one in Scotland agreed with them when they were in place).
It looks like we decided instead to split Scotland based on the Electoral and Valuation Boards (whatever they are), but then further subdivide the Orkney & Shetland one of those into two. Based on the Electoral and Valuation Boards, Arran should sit under Ayrshire on RB, because it’s part of the North Ayrshire unitary authority which comes under the Ayrshire Electoral & Valuation Board.
Details of the Electoral and Valuation Boards are on this Wiki page (you’ll need to scroll down a bit):
I can never believe how convoluted the history of local subdivisions is in the UK! But to summarise all that, Arran should be in Ayrshire on RB.
I don’t recall the conversation we had about dividing up Scotland as I was focused on handling Wales at the time, but indeed the entire UK is an absolute mess with regards to regions.
I only saw 2 breweries located on the Isle of Arran but have now set both to Ayrshire in line with the places that are already there.
Hopefully this has brought back some consistency but I don’t doubt there may be more errors like this or discrepancies between places and breweries.